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kellycountry2000
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 Posted - 25/06/2009 : 4:48:18 PM
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Ned Kelly Uncovered
Ned Kelly Uncovered
8:30pm Thursday, 09 Jul 2009 Documentary CC G
Join well-known British actor, author and presenter Tony Robinson (Blackadder,Time Team, The Worst Jobs in History) on an archaeological dig unearthing details of Ned Kelly's infamous last gun battle in 1880.
Ned Kelly Uncovered follows the first ever excavation of the Glenrowan Inn site where the iconic Australian bushranger and his gang holed up for a showdown with police.
The dramatic siege which lasted over 24 hours, ended with Ned Kelly's capture and the death of gang members Joe Byrne, Dan Kelly and Steve Hart. Nearly 130 years later, can a team of archaeologists and historians reveal new insight into Ned Kelly's final moments of freedom?
More than a century after the Kelly Gang rode the ranges of Victoria and NSW, holding up towns and stealing thousands of pounds, opinion remains passionately divided between those who love Kelly as a persecuted champion of the poor and those who dismiss him as a cold-blooded killer and thief.
Will the dig site shed new light on the motivations of a man cast into legend by history? Or have souvenir hunters destroyed any chance historians have of uncovering the truth?
With specialist commentary from Kelly experts Ian Jones and Alex McDermott, this one-hour documentary follows a seven-week dig led by archaeologist Adam Ford.
As the archaeologists unearth a host of artefacts including cartridges and bullets, the scientists conduct tests with fascinating results. Meanwhile, the historians strip back the myth, piecing together the clues to give a detailed new look at an iconic Australian, literally from the ground up.
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Joe.D
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 6:11:06 PM
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I'm curious to see if I'll be seen on the Doc. When I un-earthed the first lead bullet, the cameramen focused their camera's on me......I hope I havent been edited out.
Looking fwd to the new doc.
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antmc
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Joe.D
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Posted - 27/06/2009 : 5:11:54 PM
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G'daY Anthony BRILLANT!!
Thx.......trailer looks really good. Great view of the siege site from up on the boom lift.
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kellycountry2000
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Posted - 28/06/2009 : 11:51:25 AM
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Dave White
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Posted - 30/06/2009 : 8:10:21 PM
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I heard that Ned is seen in a poor light in this doco, anyone know about this? I have also been told someone has a copy already.? Dave.
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ChrisR
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Posted - 06/07/2009 : 2:29:17 PM
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Here is a sneak peak at the ABC ad for Ned Kelly Uncovered to be aired this Thursday night at 8.30pm.
The ad for it is already on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjM-dwkUJE8
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Joe.D
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 02:08:18 AM
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THANKS Chris.........
Ahhh that was such a tease, fantastic short clip lol I'm going to go and watch it again. ;-)
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nearly ned
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 12:30:42 PM
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Only two more sleeps!
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Joe.D
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 7:39:18 PM
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All,
My wait is over!!
I had just finished watching for the second time Ned Kelly uncovered and let me assure you, you will not be impressed with Alex McDermott and Tony Robinson. A few comments were made and perhaps should not have been edited in. Sad to note that the owner of the siege site, Linton Briggs and Gary Dean were not mentioned in the documentary.
Ian Jones is a delight to watch as he discovers the results of the percussion cap that was found during the dig...............I won’t spoil any further  remember to tune in on Thursday night.
P.S.....I have also been edited out of the documentary, but my car made it in and also the lead projectile I found.
Joe.D
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Joe.D
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 9:42:11 PM
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All,
cut & paste Google alerts..............
Tim Martain
July 07, 2009 12:20pm
DIG reveals secrets of Ned's last stand. Tim Martain Reports.
At the corner of Siege St and Beaconsfield Parade in Glenrowan, Victoria, is a vacant block of land.
This unassuming bare patch of land is where Ann Jones' Glenrowan Inn once stood, the building that was the scene of bushranger Ned Kelly's last stand.
This historic site, directly associated with the most famous moments of one of Australia's most iconic figures, is almost completely anonymous in the middle of a town that still celebrates its connection to the infamous outlaw.
Nothing marks it except for a handful of modest signs.
The site has been built over twice since police burnt the hotel to the ground to end the siege in 1880 but now it stands empty and until recently it had not even been touched by archaeologists.
But that changed in May last year.
A team of archaeologists and historians excavated the site to uncover clues about how the gun battle unfolded and the final moments of the three members of the Kelly Gang who died there.
The dig was filmed for TV and British actor, author and presenter, Tony Robinson host of the fascinating documentary Ned Kelly Uncovered.
Robinson, the presenter of archaeology series Time Team said he had wanted to go on a dig in Australia for some time and this project offered the perfect opportunity.
And while he was excited about the significance of the site they would be working on, Robinson said he did harbour grave concerns.
“To be honest, I was a bit worried that we'd find nothing,'' he said.
“Urban sites tend to get cleared, rebuilt and cleared again remarkably quickly. It wouldn't have surprised me if all we'd found under the ground was a smashed up TV and a hubcap off a Holden Commodore.''
But when the top layer of soil was stripped back and the dig got underway, the entire team was surprised by how rich a treasure trove lay beneath and how close to the surface it still was.
They uncovered lead fragments from the bullets and musket balls fired into the hotel by police, spent cartridges and percussion caps from the Kelly Gang's weapons and even a casing from Ned Kelly's own rifle.
“There had been two buildings built on the site after the fire and we weren't sure whether those buildings had completely wiped out any of the previous occupation,'' archaeologist Adam Ford said.
“We thought we'd find foundations of the original inn, evidence of the fire, burnt glass and maybe evidence of the battle if we were really lucky.
“In the end, we found so much more than we expected. We could actually plot where the Kelly boys and the gang members were during the battle.''
The team also conducted experiments, firing historically accurate ammunition at replica Kelly armour and a replica hotel to get an idea of the damage being inflicted.
Through uncovering previously unseen artefacts from the Glenrowan siege, the team also tackles the most enduring question of all surrounding Ned Kelly.
Was he a persecuted hero of the downtrodden, or an overrated, coldblooded killer?
“Outlaws have a romantic quality about them, don't they, because they give themselves permission to do things the rest of us are forbidden from doing,'' Robinson said.
“It's only when you examine them a bit more closely that the complexities of their lives begin to be revealed _ and that story is usually far more interesting.''
NED KELLY UNCOVERED, THUR, 8.30PM, ABC1
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source: http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25746320-5005382,00.html
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Joe.D
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 10:28:48 PM
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Hi All,
The long awaited doco.......so what did we think? Interesting scene about the precussion cap and Ian's reaction!!
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stevejager
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 10:38:04 PM
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G'day Joe and all,
I think it was very well presented. Accurate with information and it was great to have the computer re-enactments. Also liked how they had two peoples opinion instead of just Ian's like usual(no offence Ian but it must be good to have a break). It was great seeing the shooting of the weapons but very exciting to see the bone fragment.
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ChrisR
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 10:45:05 PM
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Joe.D
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 10:54:55 PM
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Hi Steve, Chris.
Firstly and personaly the bone fragment should NOT have been aired.......WHY? for obvious reasons; but they are my feelings.........ummm lets not jump to conclusions here as there was a dog also on the premises.(correct me if I'm wrong)
I have the understanding the bone is in the possession of the state coroner and I'm sure we'll be waiting forever in a day for the results.
The computer work they did with reconstructing of the Inn, would have to be the best part of the doco
Joe.D
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ChrisR
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 11:04:22 PM
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Hi Joe,
That is the reason I suggested testing to be done to determine if it was infact human before 'declaring' it was from either Dan or Steve. Yes, there was a report of a dog perishing in the blaze. I don't recall its charred remains being taken out and displayed on a board. |
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Joe.D
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 11:23:11 PM
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Hi Chris,
Ouch  I think I voiced my opinion too loudy and didn't mean for it to come out as an attack for this I apoligise. I felt strongly against the comments on the doco RE: the bone and felt it to be tastless......my emotions got carried away as did my above post.
P.S.....you hit the nail on the head testing needs to be done before declaring. 
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ChrisR
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 11:43:21 PM
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Joe,
I didn't take it as an attack. I aimed the wording of the posting to be more a comment rather than a statement.
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Fitzy
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 09:38:09 AM
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G'day Gang,
I agree with Joe and thought the segment on the bone fragment was a bit tasteless and could have been done better or deleted altogether.
To me, Tony Robinson’s narration appeared like it was written by Alex McDermott. Although I didn’t feel McDermott was too over the top as he usually is and it was good to have an opposing opinions as Steve said. It could have been worse, they could have had someone like Christopher Bantick who has written some terrible ill-informed articles on Ned.
And of course we had the police version (wasn’t he a happy looking chap), distorted and selective, which proves not a lot has changed in police attitude in 170 odd years. “Better to convict an innocent man, than no man at all’!
Fitzy
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Michael
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 1:13:07 PM
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I felt that the participants over dramatised their excitement at their finds although the chap doing the microscope work discounted much of the excitement with his choice of words like possible, probable, in our opinion, could be etc etc. However, that is Tony Robinson's style that he has used during his other archaeological digs in the British Isles and he does that to appeal to the majority of his audience.
Also I noted that David and Sharon Consiglio's names were listed on the credits at the end so the Beveridge Kelly House was probably filmed but the footage was not used. I also felt that considerably more time could have used on the digs but no doubt time and budget restraints stopped that. Perhaps the time spent on the digs on the road (Fettler's Camp) and at McDonalds Hotel should have been used for the main Inn site.
I was interested to see and hear about Ned Kelly's rifle that was in private hands. Can anyone throw some light on that fact for me ?
On the whole a worthwhile programme but would have been better without Alex McD for my money !! |
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ChrisR
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 2:17:19 PM
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I guess the use of choice of words like 'possible, probable, in our opinion' still leaves many questions unanswered and people left guessing about the actual events that happened at the seige site, Fettlers Camp and Macdonald Hotel.
The old line about 'assumming' rings true - never assume anything...
This is the very reason why govenments should preserve all records for future research to give people a clearer image of events (unless there is something to hide!) |
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Fitzy
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 4:08:39 PM
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Words like possible, probable, in our opinion, could be etc etc. would be good enough for police to prosecute and with a bit of poetic license, probably get a conviction.
Fitzy
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Joe.D
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nearly ned
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Michael
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 10:08:41 PM
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With regard to the question I posed in my last post re Ned's rifle in private hands Sharon found some info for me that indicated it was taken by Hare along with Joe Byrne's armour and given to the Clarke family. She also referred me to the Madeley photo of the armour taken at Glenrowan where Ned's revolving rifle is shown which was the rifle in question. I had thought his rifle was the one in the State Library of Victoria but that would have been another.
Thanks Sharon for the update.. much appreciated |
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stevejager
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 5:13:17 PM
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G'day to everyone,
I was very pleased with Ned Kelly: Uncovered and contacted ABC to find out a release date for dvd. Long story short, after speaking to many different people I was put in contact with a woman at Screen Australia who informed me that "there are no plans to release Ned Kelly: Uncovered on dvd in Australia". I wonder if they have changed their minds considering it was veiwed by close to a million people.
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Adam
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Australia
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 8:32:33 PM
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| I don't know if anyone remembers me, but I too watched Ned Kelly: Uncovered and I thoroughly enjoyed it! Absence makes the heart grow fonder and I might hang around here again. If I hurt anyone's feelings before I am sorry as it was never my intention. Getting back to the ABC special I was surprised to find out the Glenrowan Inn was not very big at all! It was a shame the show never lasted two solid hours, but hey, not to worry! Regards, Adam |
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Joe.D
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 8:50:48 PM
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G'day Adam
Hey glad to have ya back  yeah too right the doco had heaps of footage, it would have been great if it went longer. Adam did you end up going to the site whilst the dig was taking place?
ok bud chat later
Hey steve the offer is still there bud
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Sharon Hollingsworth
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Adam
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Posted - 13/07/2009 : 4:11:17 PM
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Hey guys, thank you for the warm welcome. Joe D, I never made it to Glenrowan during the dig, but the thought crossed my mind!
Regards,
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Joe.D
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Posted - 13/07/2009 : 4:20:03 PM
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G'day Adam,
Ahhhh ok ummmm have you read the articles Dave White & myself wrote about our dig experience, its actually on Daves site maybe Shaz, could find the link and post it for us. There are a few pic's of the artifacts that both Dave & myself found and of course others.
Not sure where the articles are linked.... if its on glenrowan1880 or nedonthenet, I refer to Shaz cause I'm sure Shaz can lead us straight to it...............thx shaz ehehehehe
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Dave White
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Dave White
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Posted - 13/07/2009 : 5:05:32 PM
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| ps, for anyone interested I am putting together a lot more images taken during the last dig to upload on my sites. Dave. |
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Joe.D
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Posted - 13/07/2009 : 7:03:27 PM
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Hi Dave.....thx.....lok'n fwd to image uploads!
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Dave White
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Posted - 14/07/2009 : 4:51:13 PM
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| I also will have some our mate Ken took at places I missed due to work commitments. Dave. |
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Dave White
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ChrisR
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Posted - 16/07/2009 : 10:04:48 AM
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Dave,
The images are great and it is fascinating to see major 'players' involved with the doco. Looks like it was a great day with the weather.
Thanks for sharing these pics. |
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carla
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 12:30:14 PM
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This was in the Age Green Guide Thursday 16-july.
Ned Kelly deserves more.
Farah Farouque is right to identify the opinionated bias in the supposed factual documentary Ned Kelly Uncovered.
As she subtly suggests " the bearded bushranger who became a cultural phenomenon" must surely deserve more, 129 years after his execution, than "this well packaged dissertation"
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Dave White
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 5:50:31 PM
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Yes the day was great, very lucky as the Tue was soaked.
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